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Various Meadowlark
Hello, I would very much like Helios to finance “real economy” projects. Besides, I don't know if it's still possible because it mainly involves loans that Helios cannot give, but if there was a way to support small farmers who are trying to return to traditional farming, that would be really great. I think that's also where the funding should go.
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Incarnadine Dormouse
I think it is high time to worry about our floors.
I have just learned that “all the soils on the planet store 3 times more CO2 than all plants” (https://consciousplanet.org/soil). And that doesn't surprise me!
“Only if living soil can store large quantities of carbon, when it is manhandled and dies and dries out, it releases as much CO2 into the air!”
In other words, with intensive, industrial agriculture and all that that implies, the current and disastrous balance sheet at all levels...
As an eco-bank you can finance numerous projects that aim to preserve or regenerate all soils!
I don't want to go into too much detail here, especially since there are many who know more about the subject than I do.
I strongly support Helios's way of thinking as a bank but I honestly think that you should fund a lot more small projects on a human scale.
If we want a future that is beautiful and respectful of people and of life, we can no longer rely on the industry that hides our face and disconnects us from what makes us alive.
Here is a link that might give you some ideas on the subject.
Thanks 🙏
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Harlequin Gorilla
is important to reform conventional farming. there are too few farmers in organic and regenerative agriculture to have a major impact by focusing on “organic”. we must look at the most purchased products: those that come from mass production. precisely these farmers must understand step by step that plowing is not always good, that antibiotics cannot be used preventively and that biodiversity leads to yields higher and better quality of their products. let's invest in sustainable agriculture through knowledge campaigns for conventional farms.
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Granite Dinosaur
The future would be for each department to be able to be autonomous in vegetable growing in order to consume local, fresh, organic food and thus limit transport, packaging, nutritional loss, etc. For a bank to promote this kind of project of local, sustainable and environmentally friendly agriculture would be great. Especially since the consumption of fruits, vegetables, legumes, oilseeds must be daily!
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Buff Kangaroo
Assistance in the installation of permaculture farms and organic installation
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Quince Catshark
A good start would already be to stop financing agro-industries, such as tens and dozens of hectares of monocultures, intensive farms where animals do not even see sunlight, etc.
Florian
Merged in a post:
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Close Barracuda
The Avise Sustainable Agriculture dossier has just been published [19/04/2021]: https://www.avise.org/ressources/agriculture-durable
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Quince Catshark
For those interested -> Kiss the Ground on Netflix
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Proposed Cardinal
Funding only in plant-based agriculture, which is the only agriculture that is truly sustainable.
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Quince Catshark
Proposed Cardinal: What do you mean by “plant-based agriculture only”?
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Appropriate Woodpecker
Quince Catshark: livestock produce too many GHGs, soil destruction, deforestation, deforestation, depletion of water tables, and water pollution... there are still other points to address but it would be a long time. There is no shortage of studies.
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Quicksand Swordtail
Proposed Cardinal: I answered you on another topic. I repeat what I said here. Do not be naive about this vegetable agriculture that you seem to want to oppose to breeding. Livestock conducted in peasant agriculture will always be more ecological than a veggie product from field cereal crops! I invite you to a short weekend in the plains of Beauce in the middle of a plant world plagued by the agrochemical industry.
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Proposed Cardinal
Quicksand Swordtail: Yes because farm animals don't eat plants... Find out about the quantity of plants (and water) that is needed to feed a cow and then compare it to what a vegan human consumes (in land and water). There are enough studies on the subject to be up to date. And then it is not only the environment that interests me but the respect for sentient beings and their right to have their throats cut for taste “pleasures”. We are on an ethical bank where we ask users what they would like to invest in. I am answering it. I do NOT want MY money to be used to finance animal production. You do well what you want with yours.
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Quicksand Swordtail
Proposed Cardinal: The livestock I am talking about eat a large proportion of pasture grasses and forages grown by the farms themselves. Understand what peasant agriculture means. All this cannot be compared to intensive farms that I hope Helios will never finance. Just as I hope that Hélios will not finance the production of cellular “meats” either (whose US start-ups subsidize PETA and L214) That said, I hope that Hélios will one day fund immersion courses in the rural world for our urban youth who no longer really understand where they live. Good for you.
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Sage Octopus
Proposed Cardinal: animal agriculture is also sustainable. It is simply necessary to limit production. And taking vitamin B12 pills to make up for the deficiencies linked to the non-consumption of animal products is not very sustainable either
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Proposed Cardinal
Sage Octopus: The animals you eat are supplemented with B12... Here I am going to stop the debates with uninformed people who think they are lecturing me. 🙄
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Sage Octopus
Proposed Cardinal: yes in intensive farms only. Not on sustainable farms. So the distinction between the 2
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Quince Catshark
Appropriate Woodpecker: I find it very binary to oppose breeding to vegetable crops. Today we need livestock to fertilize the soil, because our soils are too poor. Later, when we have enough hedges planted, when we use vegetable waste from all over the country, maybe we can do without livestock and eat a much more plant-based diet. A well-managed small extensive livestock farm is no worse than a cornfield that also needs a lot of water, where the soil is constantly worked, so the life of the soil is completely destroyed, etc.
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Creative Bison
Proposed Cardinal: vegetable farming is interesting but you should not necessarily see the problem in this way by opposing one system to the other. Especially when crop farming will eventually pose the same problem. Because we discuss the consequences but not the cause. The cause is simple, it's the number of human beings on the planet. So tinkering solutions by becoming vegan is a short-term vision. And by being more numerous and living longer, it can never get better. So together, let's do what we can, while not denying our omnivorous nature (that's my opinion). Buy everything locally and organic, at Biocoop for example, no longer buy anything containing plastic as much as possible. It will already have a great impact and will finance organic and local agriculture. Financing innovative agriculture, like a beekeeper not far from home who puts honey in sugarcane jars that have almost the same resistance properties as plastic except for heat. I prefer to have only one child and live reasonably without giving up the pleasure of meat or insects sometimes and I will not impose my way of eating on others.
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Venetian yellow Penguin
Creative Bison: I discovered this thread but whether an ox or a sheep is well raised or not, its breeding produces large quantities of methane because it is a ruminant. So personally I don't want my bank to support ruminant farming because it's bad for the climate, organic or not.
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